Hello,
I'm a veteran and I just viewed this video that every veteran must see ASAP. what a disgrace from our own government.

Please take the time to view it! Then take action! Spread this video!


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1654029577076223754

Question:
Will you act on this!

Choices:
Yes! ASAP
Who cares...
No, I'm lazy

 

This practice has ended many years
ago on the SPN codes and is no longer
an active issue. This video has floated
around for a very long time now and
most people have seen it.

Thanks McClellanVet.

I saw it for the first time yesterday and it alarmed me. What a scam! I just hope the people that were involved in it are in jail.

The video also shows how much senator McCain
cares about fellow veterans. He does not.
He runs away from the situation. What a scum bag.


Peace!

ATTENTION: The issue of SPN, SDN, or SPD codes HAS NOT ENDED !!! Now called a SPD code, those combat vets coming home and discharging are getting a code, ALL 26 MILLION vets have a code. These codes are being used to steal BILLIONS from V.A. I am the leading authority concerning these codes, be careful of McClellanvet, she knows not what she says ! Go to; http://veterancourtcodes.com make your own decisions. Ed Crosby

REPLY TO ED CROSBY:


Ed by your own admission right in
this very Video, the SPN codes were
stopped back in the 1980's. They were
confronted and terminated the practice.
So I think you need to go back
and review what has been said on this.

ATTENTION: SPN codes were changed to SPD in 1975 by DOD to keep Congress from investigating this sordid matter. Moreover, the codes stayed the same, therefore, the system DID NOT END as you state. If you look at the video, its says just that. The codes have NOT BEEN TERMINATED !! If you have a problem, contact me via my website, we need to talk on the phone as your facts are incorrect !! Ed Crosby

REPLY TO ED:

I have the actual SPN codes list
like a thousand other vets. If
there is a new table out there,
then we haven't seen it circulating.

You can file a complaint against
all VSO's at the Dept. of Justice
for failing to process, challenge,
or advocate on the SPD codes issue
if you like.

Lawsuits will go nowhere fast
and are a waste of time. If the
codes are active, then it is the
VSO's who you have to go after.

Congress is a direct access venue
so I don't know exactly what you
are doing there but emails will
NOT cut it.

DUE PROCESS OF LAW, LIBERTY RIGHTS, these issues regarding SPN codes are what is important. Branding human beings with a number to systematically eliminate them sounds like Nazi Germany, WHAT CAN BE MORE IMPORTANT ?!! Plus, the theft of BILLIONS from V.A. via the use the codes to do the stealing is of GREAT importance. If you do not understand this insidious system, read legal briefs at my website. EHC 3

REPLY TO ED:

You are confusing a bunch of different
things here Ed. First you seem to think
that because I am telling you that
a lawsuit will completely fail on this
issue, that somehow I am "supporting"
the idea of the old SPN codes which
are no longer active. I don't.

And SPN codes have no linkage whatsoever
to due process, trust me.

Now let's get to the whole SPN
code verses SPD codes. They are NOT
one of the same, and what exactly
is your evidence that SPD codes
are harmful to Veterans? If they
are not publicly available, then
what is your evidence that the
employers have access to the SPD
codes? And since the SPD codes
are not of the same variety as
the SPN's, then what exactly is
your protest in listing them?

These are just a statement of
regulation authorities which
applies to the discharge environment
of the individual troop. After
that, .....then what?

SPN's are days gone by and it
is here that you are confusing
a lot of people. It's old news
and not part of todays issues.
I would rather see the Feres Doctrine
or something else tackled that would
render an immediate remedy to the
masses if you can catch my drift.

CLEARLY Ms. Frasier, you are not aware of the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Admendment says we ALL have Due Process of Law, i.e. LIBERTY, that is to say, the simple right to be heard. Branding a human being with a number, which said number is stigmatizing, without the right to be heard is outragous. TRUST ME, there are plenty of court decisions where Judges have pointed out Due Process Rights of the victim/veteran regarding these codes. SPN-384 became SPD-384, same meaning, Unsuitabilty, Drug Abuse, re-arranging the first 3 letters, does NOT end an insidious system that appears just like Hitlers Nazi Germany. In no way am i confusing veterans, in fact, i had an email from one today who just found out he got SDN-265, Unsuitabilty, Character & Behavior Disorder, YES, nothing in his records. With people like you inserting "confusing" remarks, its of little wonder vets may become confused. This issue of branding human beings with a number to cut out a generation, steal BILLIONS is clearly something you do not understand. Let an expert handle the matter, stay in your own area of expertise, i do not interfer in your chemical case. In the future, refer vets to my website, let them get an education, knowledge is power ! EHC 3

REPLY TO ED:

I know this constitution as well
as any of you Ed I have my very
own private law library on the
subject with plenty of interpretations
including the original texts of
The Federalist which is used by
the Supreme Court.

When you get dismissed right and
left so fast that your head
spins around, you will find out
just how true and accurate I am
trying to help you out here, in spite
of yourself which is almost always
the case out here in this mens
arena of BlowHards.

They are allowed to gleen from
performance ratings which we all
know takes place internally.

News Flash Ed: we are all codified
and enumerated and labelled by the
government from cradle to grave.
From birth records to death records,
to social security to military,
to drivers license to fishing and
hunting license, to mortgage and
credit loans to internal revenue
service to post office, to civil
service job ratings to military
service job ratings; get a clue ED
this is where a judge will take
it on dismissal.

My whole "thing" on this Ed has
to do with the fact that none of
it means SQUAT when it comes
to getting a job. If people want
to get a job, then they DO find
a way. Drug use flags would have
to be backed up with Article 15
allegations of some kind which
happens all the time internally,
and you better than most do know
that.

I am not saying any of this is
right Ed, it isn't. But I have
known people who had bad discharges
and everything else in their
backgrounds, who then went on
to have good paying careers and
just stayed with it and found
jobs, even with the government
civil service in spite of bad
histories. Juvenille records you
name it, and still had careers,
nice homes, nice cars, raised
a family just like regular people
do. So I just don't buy into
this scare thing that you are
putting out that codes are
the cause of it.

Consider the fact that todays
society is lazy beyond all recognition
and even if it was a law for them
to USE SPN codes, you would
then have to create a whole new
police force to go out and ENFORCE
them with tickets and clubbing
them over the heads with advertising
to FORCE them to apply the dam
SPN codes because this is what
our country has decended into
now. The land of the short cuts
and the Slackers. So I just do
not buy this whole paranoia thing
that you have going on here Ed
with your dinky codes issue. I have
seen too much in my lifetime.

So I just fail to see the importance
of all this and really would like
to see more readily defeatable
issues attended to instead of
this waste of time rat chase on
codes and what not. If you are saying
the SPN's are exactly the same
as SPD's then I am guessing you
probably have seen something
the rest of us haven't but mark
my word, you will stand a better
chance in a lawsuit going after
the VSO's for failing to represent
or prosecute those codes in the
duration of claims represenation.
It makes for a much stronger case
and that is where your probability
of succeeding will lie.

Best of luck to ya Ed.

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