Beginning in 1956, DOD ordered military depts. to began placing a SECRET coded number on DD-214 of veterans. Said number can say bedwetter, homosexual, sexual deviate, character & behavior disorders, on & on. The VETERAN is given NO opportunity to refute one of these codes, and MILLIONS with an HONORABLE DISCHARGE have a BAD CODE. Were you discharged before 1974, yours is on the DD-214, after 1974, it went on the other 8 or more copies of DD-214. YOU HAVE BEEN STABBED IN THE BACK !! Find out what your code is, have lawsuit back in FED. CT. on this matter. US 9th Cir. Ct. of Appeals, CROSBY v. USAF 02-35745, have 19 EXHIBITS so marked by the courts. Will FAX to you, give FAX.

EHC III

Mr. Crosby,
I seen a code on my discharge years ago. I just found out three months ago what it meant. I was honorbly discharged from the USAF after a tour in Viet Nam as a Base defense troop. Security Specalist 81150. At the time I was discharged I was a Presdential Guard at Andrews afb, Md. Please e-mail me at tifferspud@hereintown.net. Can tell you alot about what I came to find out now why I was black listed from jobs. I was told I had a FBI record. How, I do not know. Now I know why I have been hurt all of my life and I know of many other vets that have been effected. AND still are. I do not have a fax number for you send info to. You are a air force vet also. I have began to send in an official redress to what has happened to me personally with the codes!! I have since been diagnosed with PTSD among the other physical (serious illnesses, the kind that kill.) So I do not have the luxury of time on my side as other Brothers and Sisters do not as well. Good luck in the 9th Fed. Court. The system has been against us for so long that is now a part of the very nature of our "leaders". It is a shame and an insult. I hope history paints the true nature of this insult to those of us "who bore the Battle". Take Care. Paul Huff.

PAUL, I just got out of the hospital after a week, had big tumor removed. I was checking here and saw your post, DID I already contact you ? If not, let me know, and I will reply, if I did, let me know how things are going. Ed Crosby

EHC III

I was discharge in 67 and my DD form says Under Honorable Conditions. SPN 264 (character and behavior disorder).This blows my mind, another slap in the face. Mr. Crosby thank for the info and please here is my fax 254 547 0404 and will like to sue also pleasr give me all the info pertinent. I owe you a big one

Mr. Crosby,

Have just read a few of these posts about the codes on DD214s. I have looked at my DD214 and see what you mean about special codes. As I do not have a fax manchine either, could you perhaps email it to me at burnetts@tranquility.net so that I may find out what the codes on my DD214 are? Thank you for your assistance on this. R N Burnett

Mr Cosbley, I do not have a Fax,but will you please e-mail me the codes reading, Thank you so much if you can, Ray Howard ray2army@aol.com

FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO SEE THE CODES, go to this site; www.landscaper.net click on Vietnam War, when that loads up, scroll way down look left in the yellow area for VETS INFO, click on DISCHARGES, the codes are there. Ed Crosby

i have read you posts on these codes, i must say i am shocked but i do feii they are still used today,we had a real problem that we are still fighting,my husbant was in air force 46-49 and navy 52-56,in 1978 we filed a claim for both air force and navy va stated no records found,we have tried many times to get records,same thing no records found,in 2002 we got our recorts in recorts was everything we were looking for, my husband was given medical disibly in hospital 7 months,occp japan exposed to radiation,in files we found hospital records to support our claim,plus navy 52-56 he was on wasp the night it sunk the hobson,we also found rading 1991 to reopen air force and navy,there was a c&p exam plus a doctors report dated in 1991 va never informed us of this action plus we found a letter from va in 1994 granting my husband medical disibly for non servise medical

BETTY, try and locate your husbands military pay records. Ask Congressman to get them for you. He did after all get paid, and they will not lose that record. Keep the ltr. to Congressman short, he can do it faster for you. Just give SSN, Service Number, branch of service, and dates to & from, full name. That should do it.

hiEDWIN,YOUR POSTS ARE GREAT,MY HUSBANDS DISCHARGE PAPERS ARE OK,HE WAS ASKED TO SIGN UP AGAIN,IN TH BACK OF HIS DISCHARGE IS STAMPED,A BENIFIT 505 HE WAS IN SERVICE TWICE,AND BOTH DISCHARGES,HAVE THE SAME BENIFIT AND SAME NUMBER I WONDER WHAT THAT MEANS? BETTY

Mr Crosby,

I am a new member to this site and just read your post on SPN and other codes on our DD214
I was discharged from the Army in the early 90's and the code on my DD214 contains all letters.
I wondered if you might have any information on codes that were used in the latter years (after 1970's) ?
Thanks alot

A SOLDIERS CRY, yes, you would have letters instead of numbers. Go to www.landscaper.net let it load, click on Vietnam War, let it load, then scroll down looking left for VETS INFO, under that is DISCHARGES, click there, it will take you to the codes. Believe they have the ALPHA codes, if not, type SPN CODES & DD-214 in search area of internet, look for UTAH VIETNAM VETS, they have them I believe. or one of the sites listed.

Thank's for the input Edwin, I know exactly, what you mean by these codes. The code on my DD-214, has prevented me from getting a federal job eventhough, I'm a honorably discharged veteran. Will you please send me more information on this,and the number to your lawyer; I would appreciate it; my email address is macat68113@yahoo.com Thanks

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Edwin Crosby:
Beginning in 1956, DOD ordered military depts. to began placing a SECRET coded number on DD-214 of veterans. Said number can say bedwetter, homosexual, sexual deviate, character & behavior disorders, on & on. The VETERAN is given NO opportunity to refute one of these codes, and MILLIONS with an HONORABLE DISCHARGE have a BAD CODE. Were you discharged before 1974, yours is on the DD-214, after 1974, it went on the other 8 or more copies of DD-214. YOU HAVE BEEN STABBED IN THE BACK !! Find out what your code is, have lawsuit back in FED. CT. on this matter. US 9th Cir. Ct. of Appeals, CROSBY v. USAF 02-35745, have 19 EXHIBITS so marked by the courts. Will FAX to you, give FAX.

EHC III[/QUOTE WE all know,about these codes, you state, 1956, however you must,remenber,there are WW2,vets,that do file claims. And they have no DD214, Where does, your code,apply to them,Remenber,we,are,here,to help all veterans.

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Originally posted by macat:
Thank's for the input Edwin, I know exactly, what you mean by these codes. The code on my DD-214, has prevented me from getting a federal job eventhough, I'm a honorably discharged veteran. Will you please send me more information on this,and the number to your lawyer; I would appreciate it; my email address is macat68113@yahoo.com Thanks

DOyou,realy, think a lawyer,would help,do you know,VA keeps 2 files on you,one Is their copy, one IS YOUR COPY,ONLY THING Is.they don,t match, THAT iS A FACT, AS I have qriginal files, all va ro copies,stamped, their copies have,all your compensation benifts,date, granted,claims you never opened, and were denied, and you never had any Idea,of what a va file really had In their claim

Dear Mr. Crosby,

I joined the Air Force in 1958 as a junior in high school (my parents never got beyond the 10th grade). I worked very hard as an enlisted man (going to school days and working in the Air Force nights) and received my high diploma. I then obtained 2 full years of college. I received the Good Conduct medal and was nominated to the Air Force Academy by Senator Dirksen--did not make the final cut. Two years after being discharged I graduated college and was offered by an Air Force recruiter that if I went to OTS and became an officer that I would be made a fighter pilot.

Three weeks from graduating OTS, I was informed that I would not go to pilot training. Because of my prior enlisted time I could and did resign OTS. While I was waiting to be discharged from the USAF, the OTS commander visited me at the BOQ and promised me that if I went back to OTS and graduated, I would be trained as a navigator and then later a pilot. I went back to OTS and was commissioned--I now had a 4 year obligation as an officer.

I was informed that I would not be going to navigator training, but was going to Grand Forks ND as a nuclear launch officer. I was stunned and felt like that 4 year obligation was a prison sentence.

Being depressed over what had happened to my career and life, I started to drink heavily. Six months after being at Grand Forks AFB, I received a DUI.
Because I was a nuclear launch officer, the townspeople were upset and the senior officers decided to make an example out of me (have a full bird colonel as a witness). After about 6 months of extreme mental brutality I was put in the hospital for an anxiety reaction. While in the hospital, I was given a medical evaluation board--they stated that my condition originated in childhood because I had a mean father.

When the senior officers threatened me with an undesirable discharge, I threatened to go to the newspapers and tell the whole story. Relenting, they said that I would get an honorable discharge. However, they put an SDN 509 code in my DD214. I had no idea of the trouble that code would cause me.

Years later, in 2000, I was found to be 70% disabled by the VA, but it was not service connected because of the medical board. I have been fighting the VA for 8 years to override the MEB. I have 3 civilian doctors that disagree with the findings of the MD who left no notes and no tests.

About 3 months ago several articles pointed out the fact that these SDN numbers were not allowed as of 1974. I wrote the Air Force to have the SDN removed and received a nasty letter from the Office of Review advising the Air Force not to change my DD214.

Any help would be appreciated.

My email is wgoss@indy.rr.com

REPLY:

First of all, I am sorry for your ordeal.
But then I also have to say that we see
this all too often where the people who
have the most problems in this system,
are the very ones who never listened or
played by the rules to begin with.

What you did here was very serious, make
no mistake. Apparently you still aren't
owning up to that point. And the VA has
no medical obligations for stories stemming
BEFORE military service.

I have said one million times out here,
that many of you men complicate your own
troubles by adding drugs or alcohol to the
mix. Cut the shit and learn how to deal
with your problems, I say. Show me one
living example where Booze solved somebody's
life, and I'll be the first to line up on
your side.

SPN / SDN Codes have nothing to do with this
story because in the final scheme of things,
your drinking was a matter of police record.

GET IT ???????

There are people who play by the rules and
STILL get screwed and that is where I save
my sympathy for.

Get your life together and move on.


Thanks for your story.